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1 Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 18:23

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It is not rare in music for critics and fans to disagree. For Disturbed though, those differences were almost laughably extreme. The Chicago based band had a remarkable commercial knack. Their first album, The Sickness sold 4.5 million copies worldwide, while their next four all would debut at number one on the billboard chart, a record for a metal band.Those four consecutive top spots would rack up combined sales of another 6.5 million. They tour arenas,count their crowds in tens of thousands and earn millions of dollars. They are a band, whom in short their fans adore but not the critics.

Their singer, David Draiman, has for many years been known as "mad" Davey- much to his annoyance- in certain sections of the media. Big, bald and broad, he has been called egotistical,stupid and arrogant by journalists. He has been called self-centred,thoughtless and ridiculous. In one album review he was once most damningly of all,compared to that other hero of the anti-hirsute: Genesis drummer Phil Collins.

His bands music,meanwhile has hardly fared better. Critics say it's overblown,obvious and obnoxious, awful appalling and affected, cynical, simple and soulless. these are some of the kinder words that have been attached to the sounds disturbed make.

To say they are a band who divide opinion is much the same as stating the pope's religion or commenting on the toilet habits of bears : their audience love them ; journalists hate them. Occasionally, perhaps as they pause at a red light in their fast cars, or gaze down from the window of their large houses, they might care about this. Four about a second. Because Disturbed have made it very clear they don't really worry an awful amount about the opinions of critics. which is just as well, really.

David Draiman was not an easy child. Then again, as he tells it, he didn't have an easy child hood either. He was born in New York to a jewish family who moved to Chicago when the singer was three. At school, he took religion seriously though his parents were less devout> He says he tried to draw his mother and father more in line with his was of thinking.

Aged 10, his father was sent to jail. David has claimed it was for a crime he didn't commit. The US authorities were less convinced, and Draiman Snr was put away for two and a half years after a case involving mail fraud.The singer described the period as "one of the two most tumultuous times of my life....ultimately, when the United States authorities decides they want to fuck you, they will, and they took my father away from me." When the singers father was released, it seemed he was a different man. The Singer says his dad had " a sort of religious awakening in prison". He added " my father thought he was being punished by god for not being observant or religious enough." It was clearly a difficult moment.

David was sent away to boarding school- a decision to which he objected. So he set about causing as much trouble as he could. He was expelled five times. "They sent me away to boarding school against my will, hoping that in some weird way- since all the other children were without parents as well- id feel somewhat equal", he said. "I became very,very resentful and did everything i could to get myself thrown out. I would immerse myself in things that were completely against the grain and they took their toll over time".
At 16, his then girlfriend committed suicide, an event that he would come to write about in the future. I would take him, he said, 10 years to come to terms with it.

Meanwhile, he had been beginning to get into music. He had already sung in church choirs- in fact he had studied to be a cantor, the lead singer. But then he started to listen to punk bands and everything changed. " The rebellion and purity of punk appealed to me," he said. " The fact that it was forbidden,against the grain,immoral and deliciously taboo." After High school, he travelled to Europe, bumming around London and Amsterdam, before returning to college to take a degree in political science, philosophy and business management which would land him a job working for a hospital. While there, he answered an advert in the Illinois entertainer posted by three metallers from the south side of town looking for a singer. When he met guitarist Dan Donegan, drummer Mike Wengren and bassist Stev "fuzz" Kmak, it didn't go well initially, "he was wearing sandals and shorts", said Dan. " he looked like a typical northsider." But they were impressed he wanted to sing his own material,not covers, and that was enough.

When Disturbed's debut, The Sickness, was released in 2000, it coincided with nu-metal hitting mid-season form. Korn had paved the way, Slipknot upped the ante, and Linkin Park were about to raise the commercial bar. Into this world slipped Disturbed's remarkable slick debut. With it,came David's image as a crazy lunatic. There was those who claimed that, perhaps, he was hamming it up a little bit too much for it to be convincing.Live, he would be rolled onto the stage in a Hannibal lecter outfit- either orange prison grab or straightjacket- and then either prented to be fried on mock electric chair,or break his way out of a cage. He Seemed offended when this act wasn't taken seriously. "We're not shock rock," he told Kerrang!, frustrated. "we're not an Alice Cooper band and it's not about blood,gore and guts. It's our way of telling people that when you're unlike everyone else, people look at you like you're different : you're sick, you're disturbed."

So then people started taken him seriously: they called him mad. And that really annoyed him. "Im sorry that those journalists and your magazine[kerrang! in particular drew his ire] may not respect where i'm coming from, or that they feel that it make them better writers to print those things" he fumed. But he didn't really help himself. His interviews were peppered with nonsensical comments and onstage he would act "crazy", while his vocals were riddled with barking and grunting. Sometimes, it seemed, he was trying just a little bit hard. "When you act or think differently, people view you as being sick or disturbed and try to wipe you out" he countered. "They try to keep you locked away so you can't affect or infect anyone else." His point about being locked up for the good of others would have carried more weight,perhaps had he not been in a band playing to thousands of people a night.

Two years later, in 2002, Disturbed were a big deal in America but less so in the Uk. Support slots with Danzig and two Ozzfests had earned them big crowds. David's sense of self had also been expanded. "It's now my job to go up onstage and perform the most fulfilling ritual in all of human existence," was how he saw his role. He was also very happy to indulge in the trappings that came along with such a fulfilling ritual. On tour in the UK, supporting Marilyn Manson, he complained that the headliner had stolen all the girls. "It's weird," he said. "There's this system where the headline band band usually have someone who goes out into the crowd specifically designated to "tag" Women.When i went out into the crowd to go "hunting", if you will, every respectable women had already been tagged".It was this- a combination of horrendous ego, idiotic comments and a desperate desire to be taken seriously - that led, perhaps, to the gales of criticism the band faced.

Their Fans cared very little about what the loudmouth singer said,preffering to listen to the band's music. Believe, Disturbed's second album, was a lyrical skim through the puddle of David's soul,yet went straight into the Americans album charts at number one. The Draiman ego went, of course into overdrive.Believe was g less than a religious experience,in his view.He, meanwhile, was more priest- or, to give him full credit,God-than singer."[Believe] is something that deals with the grandiose and grander things in it's themes," he proclaimed,erm,grandly. "The sheer musical vibe of the songs commands respect. Music of this grandeur and magnitude requires that i be that sort of frontman."

As Disturbed toured this grand opus of nu-metal riffs and portentous words, cracks began to appear in their facade. Drummer Mike admitted he was drinking to much, then their bassist Steve was asked to leave because of personal clashes. David had also waded into the peer-to-peer file sharing debate. As internet album sharing was just starting to become an issue that was scaring the world's record companies, the singer made a surprising stand in favour of the fans guilty of downloading music illegally. "I think that labels are foolish in not using the internet, instead of being afraid of it," hen told Metal Edge in 2003. "Labels, for the most, are the reason for their own demise. They're just stuck in this old way of thinking. Instead of spending all this money litigating against kids who are the people they are trying to sell things to in the first place, they have to learn how to effectivly use the internet."

For the first time in a long time while, he seemed to be nearing something resembling sense.By the time Disturbed went into the studio to make their third record,though,he was back to old davey again. This time, he turned his intellect towards the big issues of the day: war and politics, throwing his crafted opinions into the debate, George W.Bush would no doubt have withered under the lashing he received at David's hands, had he heard the album. In another leap of the imagination,big business was likened to the Nazis. The major record label to which Disturbed were-and still are -signed was perhaps the big business it was okay to like. Ten Thousand Fists,on it's release in 2005, was another Disturbed record that would go straight into the US charts at number one, eventually selling 2.5 million copies. It was again a commercial success,despite the frequent reviews that agreed with the 1-k rating in kerrang! that judged it to be "enervating,soul-crushing stuff" That the band chose to cover Genesis' Land Of Confusion lead to further spluttering: " The Penny drops. The bald head. The overwrought nasal vocals. The pomposity. The Slappable face.Yes, "Mad" Davey Draiman is slowly morphing into Phil Collins, and if that doesn't put you off then you deserve everything you get."

Disturbed's next two records would not deviate from their template. By 2010,they had a formula that had already proved successful: slick guitars, nailed down rhythm, huge melodies and big choruses. It was not rocket science but credit ought,perhaps, to be given to the band for maintaining their career for so long. Most of their nu-metal contemporaries had,by the time of Disturbed's 2010 record Asylum, either had given up, moved on or reformed, Limp Bizkit-style, as a nostalgia act. 2008's Indestructible allowed David to move into more personal territory,on one song detailing the suicide of his young girlfriend. Less traumatically he also writes about how his car and motorbike were damaged by fire. The Blaze would begin what the singer believes is a run of bad luck that has affected him ever since. He calls it "The Curse". Asylum would examine that,wading unflinchingly into an investigation of why his business partner had let him down,why his girlfriend left him and why his dog died, Ever unafraid of tackling the big stuff, there was even room for a song about why David's replacement dog also died.

But both Indestructible and Asylum went straight to the top of the US charts- just like every Disturbed record they have made bar their debut. The only other rock bands to have managed for consecutive number ones are The Dave Matthews Band and Metallica, which is halfway good company to be keeping.And Disturbed no longer really are that they were nu-metal's whipping boys. They no longer really mind that, critically,they are and always were a bit of a joke. Eleven million album sales have seen to that

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2 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 18:55

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fuck those critics like we care what you guys think none of you listen to proper rock any more your all a bunch of sell outs when disturbed one day reaches there 7th number 1 album id like for them to rub those numbers in there fucking faces



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3 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 19:47

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yeah it was annoying that i spent £5.99 on the magazine only to have the only bit i really cared about be depressing to read, add to that the fact i typed the whole article out myself Lol

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4 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 21:52

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holy fuck that was long o.o

fuck the critics, they're snobby and they're fucked in the head. They're deaf too and hell, why do we even have music critics if people don't listen to them anyways?! They don't know shit if that's all they have to say about Disturbed!

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5 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 22:09

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Yumiyuri wrote:holy fuck that was long o.o

fuck the critics, they're snobby and they're fucked in the head. They're deaf too and hell, why do we even have music critics if people don't listen to them anyways?! They don't know shit if that's all they have to say about Disturbed!

Agreed, Ms. Rei.

The people at Kerrang need to be shot, garroted, strangled, beaten stabbed, crushed and impaled by the thousands of Disturbed fans

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6 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 22:57

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Don't worry about this article...Music critics run out of ideas and come up with this wild ignorant brainstorm to (in their mind)hang out the dirty laundry ....and while they are dotingly including every sheepish detail..they are probably thinking of how much they hate their job and what a bore it is to come up with stupid ideas for an article....poor souls...
they have no life.
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7 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 23:01

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i was surprised about david's father going to jail though

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8 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 23:11

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I'm sure David was surprised too when his dad went there ...but I happened to know quite a few people (rich and poor famous and average) ended up in jail Paris Hilton was banned from Hotels here in Las Vegas from the stupid shit she did here...she was not even allowed to enter one country.



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9 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 23:48

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Music critics are just that: critics. They're paid to make or break bands, or attempt to do just that.

They forgot one little thing: they were dealing with Disturbed. They earned their success through hard work, sacrifice, and sheer will. The critics don't want to hear that. So, they ignore it and hope that their readers don't find out about it later.

Who cares what the critics say? I don't. I like TV shows that eventually get canned, books that the New York Times Book Review loathe, and music that no one gets.

I got Disturbed right out of the gate. I didn't care what people thought of them. Their music spoke to me at a time in my life when everything around me was falling apart. I realized recently that everything I know about Disturbed's music could have come from my own life. I'm in my late 40's now, and believe me, my life has never been easy in all the years I've been on my own.

The reason I'm still a Disturbed One? Because I believe. Period. Fuck the critics. Who needs them? The world is full of people who criticize you from all sides, for all different reasons. When I stopped caring what people who don't take the time to get to know the real me thought, my life became different. I'd like to think that is part of the gift that Disturbed gives its fans. Freedom to be who you are.

Okay, I know this is a bit long, but I just had to put that out there. There is a real person behind each user name on this board. We've all come here for one reason... because we love those four guys from Chicago and they music they play.

I'd take one "Mad Davey" over a million critics any day.



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10 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sat 13 Nov 2010, 23:54

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yeah...that bit got to me...who the hell has ever called him mad davey?

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11 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 01:53

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Wow, that was a very biased article. The only critic you should trust is yourself.



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12 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 02:19

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Bowers wrote:yeah...that bit got to me...who the hell has ever called him mad davey?

You mean besides Kerrang? No one that I know.

Bound2Fate wrote:Wow, that was a very biased article. The only critic you should trust is yourself.

I agree, it was a biased article. Journalists are supposed to be neutral. I guess that doesn't apply to rock music critics.



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13 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 02:42

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Ah, but Stef, critics aren't journalists. they don't follow the rules of journalism etiquette, they make up their own. the reason why they think of stupid ideas to bring down Disturbed is because they don't understand. they don't feel what we fans feel, their ears are deaf to the message of the songs. and that is why no one will ever listen to them, because they can never understand until they've let the songs reach them.

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14 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 04:03

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I'm sorry you had to type the whole thing, I'm sure it wasn't easy :(
I read the first few lines and then tried to read a few sentences here and there but I had enough.
That is the worst 'journalistic' example i've ever seen, it's extremely subjective, biased and that person flat out hates the band, it's obvious.

IMO, most "critics", if not actually all of them, are like us, people with opinions...the difference being that:
1) they get paid for saying anything - good or bad - and apparently bad sells the most;
2) most of us have a much wider knowledge in music than they do
3) they don't listen to the music like we do, we actually hear what the lyrics and the bands have to say

like dawn said, maybe that guy realised how useless he is to society and decided to pour his anger into an extremely mean, unreal, vicious article about disturbed to sell a few extra copies

I've never listened, read, cared about what critics said, and this is another example that supports my decision. They think what they want to think, but if they imagine they can speak for us too, they're insane.

Seeing the record sales, the success of the band, the amount of fans at concerts and how much the band loves their fans....one thing's for sure, our opinion matters, not the critics.

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15 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 04:42

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the critics never matter. if you do lsiten to them, you're deafand close-hearted as well.

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16 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 05:05

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Yumiyuri wrote:Ah, but Stef, critics aren't journalists. they don't follow the rules of journalism etiquette, they make up their own. the reason why they think of stupid ideas to bring down Disturbed is because they don't understand. they don't feel what we fans feel, their ears are deaf to the message of the songs. and that is why no one will ever listen to them, because they can never understand until they've let the songs reach them.

Ah, but Rei, I think like a journalist, not a critic. I'm loathe to call these people who write shit about bands they don't like or don't understand "journalists".

There are bands, even in the metal genre, that I don't care for. But if I see them in concert, I'm going to write a fair review of what I saw and heard. Sometimes, I appreciate a band better if I see them live, but I still don't have to like them. That's what writers for Kerrang and the like forget: they write based on what they like, and if they don't like Disturbed, or Godsmack, or Korn, they're not going to give them a fair shake. That's why I don't read magazines like that. What I think and what they think (and because it's in print doesn't make them right) are completely different.

So I don't listen to critics. I listen to how I feel, and what I like. Because at the end of the day, that's all that matters.



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17 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Sun 14 Nov 2010, 05:56

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Makes me wonder if people actaully do that shit...

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18 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Mon 15 Nov 2010, 01:30

Nobody likes Karrang, they're infamous as the lowest rung of music publication. Just about every band hates them.

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19 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Mon 15 Nov 2010, 03:20

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now we see why

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20 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Mon 15 Nov 2010, 06:31

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and what the critics say about papa roach, linkin park and nickelback?
that bands are 10 times more comercial and souless than disturbed, maybe this guys cant earn money with disturbed and that piss them off.

Disturbed is the only band that survived to the nu metal crash and keep growing...

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21 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Mon 15 Nov 2010, 07:36

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why does this mag even still exist?

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22 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Mon 15 Nov 2010, 12:05

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WickedKnightAlbel wrote:Nobody likes Karrang, they're infamous as the lowest rung of music publication. Just about every band hates them.

It's not just Kerrang that does it though. I read a review of an UPROAR show by a blogger for a newspaper here in the States who clearly favored A7X over Disturbed, and that's the way his "review" was written. He praised A7X for their set and totally trashed Disturbed to the point to where I questioned if he was even at the same show as the rest of the audience. He even stated upfront that he hated what he called "radio metal". Personally, I think he should have passed on the assignment if he was going to be that biased, and told him so in the comments for the post in question.

Most bloggers are NOT journalists... they're like the person who wrote this article for Kerrang. Biased, uninformed and just looking to write the absolutely worst thing about a band/singer/entire sub-genres as possible.



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23 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Mon 15 Nov 2010, 12:29

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I agree Stef. A journalist is supposed to hear both sides of the story, to be fair and give an honest opinion on both said sides. If your article is biased, it not only shows that your article is weak, but it also shows what kind of disgusting person you are.

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24 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Mon 15 Nov 2010, 13:48

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I hate journalists and critics that trash bands just to make themselves seem like better writers. It's pure bull shit. The only opinion that matters to the bands is usually that of their fans. Fuck the critics.

I've NEVER heard of David being called "Mad Davey" Draiman until reading this article. My brother is more of an authority on Disturbed than I am so I'll have to ask him if he's ever heard it, but it's highly doubtful. I think that only Kerrang has ever called David that.

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25 Re: Kerrang Nu-Metal special - Disturbed on Tue 16 Nov 2010, 03:08

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Mad Davey...Perfectly Insane David would've been more acceptable lol xD

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