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1Obama's done it Empty Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 01:29

DYLANPCRIDDLE

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Obama has just signed a bill that will make health care reform legal in the US. For you guys down in the states, your going to get a taste of what we canadians have had for a long time. i personally think your gonna enjoy it.

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2Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 05:38

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so its like the nhs right if so then great cause thats what we also have and it does rock to have free heath care



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3Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 05:57

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Here in europe we have had same stuff for over two decades. way to go yanks.

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4Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 06:18

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Its about damm time this is great news everybody deserves free health care.



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5Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 12:14

sommething fishy aboout free health care...someone has to pay for it...long waiting lists for shit...idk what to think about this

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6Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 18:30

Conker

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Aw I can't use quotes anymore in fights with Americans like "Sorry, I Can't hear you over my free health care"

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7Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 19:26

S.M.F

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I think it will be good for some people and not so good for others.

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8Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 20:07

DYLANPCRIDDLE

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Conker wrote:Aw I can't use quotes anymore in fights with Americans like "Sorry, I Can't hear you over my free health care"


theres still "i cant hear you over our gold medal wins!!" maybe u can use that.

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9Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 20:30

lordtyson

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nothing is free in life
sounds like a scam to me

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10Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 21:07

S.M.F

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lordtyson wrote:nothing is free in life
sounds like a scam to me
That is because he is going to raise taxes to pay for it. Also what doctors get paid is going to decrease but costs such as renewing their medical license is going to go up.

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11Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 21:46

Conker

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DYLANPCRIDDLE wrote:
Conker wrote:Aw I can't use quotes anymore in fights with Americans like "Sorry, I Can't hear you over my free health care"


theres still "i cant hear you over our gold medal wins!!" maybe u can use that.

Ohh that could work, Need to think of some new stuff.

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12Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Wed 24 Mar 2010, 22:41

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I give canada props and i hope that soon we in the states can be more like them they dont start wars or conflict they just want to be left alone to be peacefull KUDOS TO YOU CANADA!

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13Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Tue 30 Mar 2010, 17:35

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It's gonna raise our taxes....and illegal aliens will come over the border and have free health care.....but I am only worried about people that are having a hard time with federal tax...hope this does not take away food and clothing and shelter in order to pay taxes...not much of a balance for quality of living in the U.S.



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14Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Tue 30 Mar 2010, 18:09

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The problem is that it isn't going to be free. Just "affordable". They raise taxes to pay for the people who can't🇮🇪the people on welfare, and the middle class gets screwed again. It just means that, even if you don't have the money to buy insurance, you have to or pay a fine. So, the people who make too much money to qualify for welfare, but, not enough to pay for it themselves either have to let bills go each month to pay for it or pay fines. That's not helping. Also, since doctors won't make as much, some will leave to practice in other countries. Meaning, if you need gullbladder surgery, you could, potentially, be on a waiting list for YEARS to get it because there aren't enough doctors to go around.

In my opinion, the reasons why this has been done is because the insurance companies lined the politicians pockets in turn for their votes on this bill. It'll make the insurance companies rich. Also, it was a nice way to conseal the earmark on no federal regulations for abortions. The earmark is just that. However, we're being told that it just means no federal dollars can be spent on abortions. It also means that late term and even partial birth abortions are now legal. It's murder. Not even humane murder. They induce labor and when the child is born alive, they either put it in a room to die with no medical assistance, including moraphine, or the doctor essentially severs the childs head. How is this not murder? There was a bill in the senate called "The Born Alive Infant Protection Act". Obama himself shot it down not once, not twice, but, four times when he held office in Illinois. Anyone who doesn't protect an innocent baby born alive is a monster in my book.

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15Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sat 03 Apr 2010, 19:52

S.M.F

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Thats why this bill is so bad.

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16Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sat 03 Apr 2010, 23:18

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The bill is good but it could have been better but what i find funny is that many conservatives say how awful the health services are in the UK, canada etc but they never ask us what we feel about our health care as id much rather have the health care i currently get which is free but is paid through taxation than the insurance based one in america.

also the people who taxes will be increased in the states are those who earn over $250,000 and those who earn less actually benefit from a lot of tax breaks in this bill

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17Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 00:55

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Stricken_Mistress wrote:The problem is that it isn't going to be free. Just "affordable". They raise taxes to pay for the people who can't🇮🇪the people on welfare, and the middle class gets screwed again. It just means that, even if you don't have the money to buy insurance, you have to or pay a fine. So, the people who make too much money to qualify for welfare, but, not enough to pay for it themselves either have to let bills go each month to pay for it or pay fines. That's not helping. Also, since doctors won't make as much, some will leave to practice in other countries. Meaning, if you need gullbladder surgery, you could, potentially, be on a waiting list for YEARS to get it because there aren't enough doctors to go around.

In my opinion, the reasons why this has been done is because the insurance companies lined the politicians pockets in turn for their votes on this bill. It'll make the insurance companies rich. Also, it was a nice way to conseal the earmark on no federal regulations for abortions. The earmark is just that. However, we're being told that it just means no federal dollars can be spent on abortions. It also means that late term and even partial birth abortions are now legal. It's murder. Not even humane murder. They induce labor and when the child is born alive, they either put it in a room to die with no medical assistance, including moraphine, or the doctor essentially severs the childs head. How is this not murder? There was a bill in the senate called "The Born Alive Infant Protection Act". Obama himself shot it down not once, not twice, but, four times when he held office in Illinois. Anyone who doesn't protect an innocent baby born alive is a monster in my book.
That is my main concern as i will be entering this profession.

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18Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 00:58

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$250,000, I will soon be in that range of income because of my new job....I will gladly pay on the tax but I was reading this whole coverage thing wont be fully in affect until 2013...in the meantime am I stuck paying for the tax before it fully benefits the U.S.?Who is going to have the guts to sign petitions to try to have Health care reform thrown out for other excuses like not having enough doctors, delayed operations,,well you get the idea....



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19Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 01:00

S.M.F

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Conservatives have been signing petitions against it since the bill was thought of.

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20Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 01:01

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i think that part is crap as since they will be needing a lot more doctors why would they allow doctors to earn far less also the next line after that is rubbish as well as america is the only developed country which doesn't have some form of national health care so were would these doctors go as wouldnt all these countries will universal healthcare be paying what the doctors would be getting anyway

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21Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 01:03

S.M.F

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They would let the doctors earn less so that they could control the entire health care industry by providing government employed doctors.

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22Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 01:03

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if you earn more than $250,000 a year the tax increase will not be so great as to leave you massively affected by it as it's only raising it to what it was like before the bush tax cuts

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23Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 01:09

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Nancy Pelosi Was in San Francisco last weekend and she and I were in the same cafe/Restaurant, she was having death threats and security was swarming the place.....I think all of this shits crazy if you ask me.She gave a good speech but I sincerely hope this does not cause conflict.



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24Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 01:09

S.M.F

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My family does not earn over $250000 a year so this would not effect us.

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25Obama's done it Empty Re: Obama's done it on Sun 04 Apr 2010, 01:13

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Dawn_Cato wrote:$250,000, I will soon be in that range of income because of my new job....I will gladly pay on the tax but I was reading this whole coverage thing wont be fully in affect until 2013...in the meantime am I stuck paying for the tax before it fully benefits the U.S.?Who is going to have the guts to sign petitions to try to have Health care reform thrown out for other excuses like not having enough doctors, delayed operations,,well you get the idea....

shouldn't they(previous governments) have made sure that they was enough doctors to cover every american not just those who could afford insurance.

also if there are delayed operations doesnt that not show that there is a need for those operations which before the bill was passed would have meant that people would have died because they couldn't get the insurance to cover those operations.

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